jack-i suppose it just goes to show that what is scientific "fact" one day has to be shelved another day.

kent-thanks for providing references on my behalf.probably done in a fraction of the time it would take me to type it!.you have done much better than i in presenting YEC and i hope you continue to chip in as opportunity arises

dmcg-IMO jesus,jude and paul are referring to literal characters though i suppose some might think otherwise IMO to accomodate evolutionisms mud to man via monkey theory.It will be interesting to see how you read it,as sort of theologically neutral.
ps-john speaks of cain killing his brother. 1 john 3 12 cf gen 4 8.
thanks for question and i appreciate its not the main argument.