In addition to my last post to dave,

The "community" I lived in did not have "leaders". It was like any other community in Britain ie full of people living their own lives.

The idea that moslems are one big cohesive community led by bearded patriarchs is a total fantasy.

Those religious leaders who posture as community leaders have about as much power to "lead" their communities as the archbishop of canterbury does to lead young white boys.

ie - everyone is very respectful at mosque/church, but afterwards they slope off for a quick fag behind the bike sheds.

And I can't believe I have to clarify this point, but these supposed community leaders don't have the ability to control gangsters and racketeers in their community by having a word with their parents.

To have this kind of sway they would need to be in the gang.

So unless we are suggesting that all moslems are in the same gang, then we have to accept that anne cryers attempts to make Imams and prominent pakistani business men responsible for the crimes of a predominantly pakistani gang are nothing short of slander.