Going off at a tangent....a couple of years ago I spent the weekend walking / climbing around Buttermere. It was the same weekend as Buttermere Fair (the second Saturday in October). In the evening I trotted off to the pub for some beer and found to my great delight that it was full of 'locals' singing. The most outstanding performers were a small group of elderly gentlemen who I believe to be retired shepherds, although there were a number of much younger singers who were very good indeed. The songs varied from well known songs like 'Dido, Bendigo' to songs I had never heard of. All 'folk' songs, all sung by people who really had a right to sing them, if you know what I mean. It was a brillaint evening, I'm hoping to get up there again for that weekend. Next time I'll bring a tape recorder and a camera. Lovely people, lovely songs, superb area, great beer. John