By the way sooner or later a nut ball is going to forget that these TV and radio shows are shock value entertainment, that is why they are there, and is going to do something because one of these guys called for it on their TV show. Then, the lawsuits afterwords and the criminal investigation afterwords will make the point better than our ramblings. Remember when Sally Jesse Raphael setup that gay guy and his straight friend and the guy got killed. She was sued and the show was gone. She also ended up in criminal court yada yada. Sadly it will probably take something like that. But as long as the advertisers get their big bucks from pitching their products on such a "hit" TV or radio show nothing will change and it will get worse. If people say hell no I won't buy your product, then you make a difference. Problem is, getting enough people to do that