Keith, why don't you read it for yourself.

It is all in this thread.

It isn't Steve's or my responsibility to recycle it for you if you are too lazy to read it through and try to understand my arguments yourself.

I will know you have read them when your responses reflect that you have digested their meaning and understood them.

Intelligent debate requires intelligent engagement with opposing viewpoints.

In your case, it mainly involves sidestepping inconvenient information and rationale, selective quotation of your opponents, the creation of straw men and tunnel vision.

Noone has said that Moslems or British Pakistanis deserve special treatment ... that is ...

... Noone except you and Ake ... who argue that they should be treated differently on the basis that you are suggesting that their culture inspires an inevitable predisposition to the grooming and abuse of underage girls, while the same crimes committed by other cultures must therefore inspired by a different motivation.

YOU, Ake, Jack Straw, Anne Cryer, Lord Ahmed and that Daily Mail columnist are the ones who think that British Pakistani culture should be treated differently.

I have been refuting that and arguing that ALL sexual criminals operate from the same motivation.


So Keith and Ake, why should British Pakistaani Moslems be given special treatment?

You've been trying to back up this idea for around a week now and still haven't provided any evidence more compelling than the point of view of two labour politicians, a House of Lords Peer, and a Daily Mail columnist.

I think thats quite long enough.