"You call people names like racist"

No - I've been repeatedly clarifying for some time now that the hypothesis that British Pakistanis and Moslems are culturally predisposed to the enslavement and abuse of underage girls is a racist hypothesis.

It is a racist hypothesis.

Discussion is a good idea.

Investigating a subject with a view to finding out what is going on and why is a good idea.

Starting off with a racist hypothesis and then defending it thoruhg thick and thin is not a helpful way of learning anythng about the subject.

That is a single minded approach, which merely investigates the marit of a single hypothesis.

If you investigate the crimes and their causes properly, and at the end of your investigation you have eliminated all possible variables except the one which discriminates based on race/religion, and if the evidence you uncover supports that hypothesis repeatedly, then pperhaps you might be onto something.

In this case neither of the above has been true. There is no real evidence and there remain many alternatives.

The fact is that Misogyny is a global issue, and if you doubt that then just go down to your local newsagent and look at all the magazines on the top shelf which feature young white girls alomost exclusively, or type in the word "sex" to google and follow up on one of the many porn links that will come up, and notice that young white girls predominantly are being treated as a commodity by men of every culture all over the world.

It is not a peculiarly Pakistani fascination.

Alan, I would like to invite you to actually read my posts instead of just stating, as keith has been, that i just go around calling people racist.

What I did do was ask wy he was so loyal to these ideas.

The cinversation has of course moved on since then and so, it seems, has Keith, so I have no wish to revive it as it was a headache.