""I do not dispute your figure for grooming.
We are only discussing street grooming by gangs.
The have only been these 17 cases.""

Egregious bullshit.

Seventeen cases have hit the headlines, involving Pakistani gangs, in an area where there happens to be a large number of Pakistani residents.

These seventeen cases took place over a thirteen year period, but have been lumped together by the Media, assisted by a couple of failed politicians who are not noted for thinking before they speak.

This conglomerate of criminal acts, widely spaced both in distance and time (according to your own posts), have been seized upon with unholy glee in an attempt to classify all Pakistani Muslims as potential paedophile rapists.

No anger or aggression in my posts, merely frustration at the difficulty of getting the concept of balanced rationality into a closed and biased mind.

You have no idea whether there have been other gangs street grooming underage girls, but it suits your agenda to state categorically that there have not.

The reason why I am able to say that you do not know, is that this particular crime is not recorded separately, but under the heading of "Grooming".

I have checked the police website for Derbyshire, and it gives no specifics.

The only real fact that you do know is that these seventeen cases did occur, because somebody decided that they were somehow linked, and representative of a trend.

Go ahead and believe that there are no white gangs picking up underage girls in the street if you are daft enough, but don't try selling that crap as fact.

We both know it isn't.

Don T.