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Thread #135349   Message #3089855
Posted By: Bill D
06-Feb-11 - 11:55 AM
Thread Name: BS: The Second Amendment
Subject: RE: BS: The Second Amendment
Don M... you said yesterday:

"Well Bill the genie is out of the bottle no doubt. And guns are here. If not guns something else cabable of mayhem will work for those wishing to do mayhem. It doesn't take a gun and frankly it is probably easier without one. Tim McVeigh didn't use a gun. He used a rented truck and farm supplies."

No... it is NOT easier without one. You simply made an assertion which is not supported by fact. Rigging high explosives is work and requires some technical knowledge....and frankly, it is not how most criminal minds work. Most gun deaths are family or street violence or during robberies or targeting specific individuals for 'personal' reasons. You do not go rent a truck and spend weeks in preparation to target a member of another gang or to rob the 7/11.
   Besides, in contrast to continued weak laws about guns, congress passed a lot of restrictions several years ago about the purchase of ammonium nitrate. Some say those could be tighter still, but it was DONE!
   Yes...of course those bent to simply doing harm will find some way...even if they have to resort to knives or throwing rocks. But 1)we can't easily restrict knives & rocks...and 2) it is often reasonably possible to dodge or run from knives or rocks....or to simply overpower the guy. If you can remain 5 ft. from a knife wielder, he's not gonna do much damage, and a book or pillow or briefcase can be a useful defense. Those aren't terribly useful against a kid with a .38...even if it 'only' hold 5-6 rounds.
   THINK about it! People post that they "want to defend their home". Against what? Someone knocks on your door....do you answer it with a pistol in your hand? It's someone saying "my car died...can I use your phone?" Do you let them? Do you hold a gun on them while they dial?
It is a fact that a serious % of gun deaths were from guns taken FROM homes during burglaries!

I'm sorry, but the idea of "defending ones home", except in certain places, is largely a mental scenario in which one imagines some simplistic set of occurrences where you are 'threatened' and go get your trusty "2nd amendment remedy" and show those naughty boys who's boss! It-just-don't-work-that-way!

I admit...there ARE those whose daily job or routine takes them into areas or situations where being prepared is reasonable. Let THESE people be trained & licensed and thoroughly screened. Allowing anyone over 18 who hasn't been convicted of a crime 'yet' to buy all these fancy weapons is simply ensuring MORE violence from people with short tempers and bad judgement.