The problem is that everyone is arguing from positions that have little to do with reality...

I mean, yeah, Bill linked a few sites that have stats... I don't believe any stat that originates in the US when it comes to gun control...

I want an independent consulting firm from a neutral country to come in, do the work and then tell the American people what the **facts** are in regards to gun ownership... Nothin' else... I don't give art's ass about any bogus stat that is out there being used by either side...

We need a truce and then we need to get real information... The American people aren't stupid... They are just ignorant...

B~