I can't understand all this venom. You don't like them - fine, it's just your opinion, no need to have apoplexy about it. What I'm impressed with is that both of my sons (29 and 20), who have quite different musical tastes, love them, and so do mrsleveller and I - so they have a very wide appeal. Plus they're one of the most popular bands on the festival circuit. So, persoanally, I don't give a shit whether they're folk or not (by whatever definition you care to choose) or whether they appeal to either of the readers of fRoots magazine (or is just the one now?)