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Thread #135653   Message #3098087
Posted By: Bill D
18-Feb-11 - 01:05 PM
Thread Name: BS: Gay church 'marriages' set to get the go
Subject: RE: BS: Gay church 'marriages' set to get the go
As far as I can see, ake, you did not provide a link in this thread. You did provide a long quote. I took a random phrase from it "Signorile and Ettelbrick regarding marriage" and did a search, which gave me This list

The first item in that list is this one which gives credit to The Family Research Council, which is about as far right-wing with a pre-ordained agenda as you can find in the USA.

When I read the various links obtained from that search..(Yes, I DO read your side of the issue in various formats)...I see site after site and page after page, quoting each other and assuring each other that a few out of context quotes like those in the above link 'prove' their pre-determined prejudices.

What IS clear is that **the study** was loaded, slanted and biased in its very design and interpretation. It 'surveyed' the individuals & groups most likely to provide the answers they wanted, and "The Family Research Council" was only too happy to sing its praises.

Let's be clear... it is possible to find extreme views (or at least quotes that can be interpreted to sound extreme on ANY issue. This 'study' makes no attempt to explore what the effect of more freedom in marriage laws might be or how narrow & restrictive laws have affected the behavior patterns of most gays & lesbians.
   This effect was shown clearly in the American South in the 50s & 60s, as the very basis of self-esteem of African-Americans was warped by decades of being called names and TOLD they they were essentially inferior and did not deserve the rights & privileges of White, Anglo-Saxon Protestants (WASPS). Many, many gays & lesbians have lived awkward, frustrating lives, believing that they 'needed to either change or pretend to change' because they were TOLD that their deeply implanted attitudes were 'evil, unnatural, illegal...etc. VERY few managed to even pretend
adequately. Now, there is new medical & scientific evidence almost everyday showing that a certain percent of ALL mammals are BORN with genetic tendencies of varying degrees toward same-sex attractions.
   
   You can quote 'statistics' until you are blue in the face, but you cannot show, even with statistics from biased sources & studies, why that small % of humans who are different from the majority should be discriminated against and denied the **OPPORTUNITY** to marry & share in the benefits of marriage.

And if you MUST hype statistics, don't forget to pay close attention to the behaviors of your favored HETEROSEXUAL groups who engage regularly in the same practices & behaviors you so roundly condemn! Promiscuity? Anal sex? etc.... All there and documented.

So, ake... I read YOUR preferred citations. It's your turn to go read & research the sites which see the issue differently.