LittleHawk, give Mbo a break. You have to understand that the War of 1812 is skipped over very cautiously in history courses in U. S. public schools; and what is taught stresses the Battle of New Orleans because we did win that. Most U. S. school kids grow up thinking that we never lost a war except Vietnam, and they're probably fudging on that by now.

A few years ago I would have called you a liar. But when I first heard Stan's "McDonnell on the Heights," I was so turned on by it that I started reading about that war, and was very surprised.

Peter.