""We are discussing the grooming and rape of children from the streets and public places of certain English cities.""

How many more times does this have to be pointed out before it penetrates the hermetically sealed mind Keith?

Grooming of young girls, particularly runaways and those who have been thrown out for various reasons, has been going on regularly at least since the early sixties, and probably well before that.

It has been a major source of sex slaves for big city pimps long before Eastern European crooks were able to travel to Britain.

The fact that it has not been reported separately from other crimes of abuse makes the Pakistani gangs' activities, which have been singled out, seem like a new problem.

Do a little homework for a change, and read up on instances of young men prowling Streets, Railway and Bus Stations, and Local Parks looking for likely prospects.

It might give you some balance in your perspective on this subject.

Don T