Yes, they'll all get me to the same place. Nowhere. They all represent the intellectual stunting that religion never fails to produce. There's a cardinal example in olddude's post just up there. Give up thinking and take comfort in myth. He thanks God for science and maths. I thank the towering human intellect for both. It's like thanking God for the wheelbarrow-sized marrows at the harvest festival, when it was the bloody farmer who put in the work, not God. The complexity of creation isn't at all mind-boggling - it's actually ever so ordinary, so normal, because it all follows very simple laws, and there is simply no need to superimpose an inexplicable being on it all. All that does is add to the inexplicability, which, paradoxically, he's thanked God for clearing up with science and maths. You started this by fatally confusing negativity, absent from Foolestroupe's post, with humility, which it was full of. I love the idea that I'm a pinprick of energy in this vast universe of ours, and I don't feel insubstantial because I know that everything and everyone else is a pinprick as well. If the universe had a mind it would recognise that it needs all of us pinpricks for its own survival. That'll do me.