Yes there are gangs that are not "BPs." When I was a lad in the north of England there were gangs of lads in our streets who took girls off to shag 'em in the public bogs. Or take 'em back to their houses when their mams and dads were in the boozer. Everybody was white and nobody told. But wow, Pakistanis and white kids? Everybody sees, everybody tells, everybody gets outraged! There's a real world out there in them there streets, and those politicos don't go out at eleven at night and see it, do they? When the kids are out, getting their mates to buy 'em cheap cider, their parents drunk at home not giving a toss. The police stay in their cars too these days - they might just leap out if they see a non-white or two. Ask the blacks in inner London about that! Keith, there is a real world that you are simply not seeing.