Well speak for yourself, Del. I'm always up for a pointless discussion with anybody, without seeing their O level certificates.

I think most fair minded peole would accept that the EFDSS is an honourable attempt to do something honourable. Some of us feel that folk song history and what went on in isolated rural communities has very little to do with a great artform - constructed from the English language.

But that's our opinion. England is what it is, with its class system and all its patronising stultifying nonsense. we're stuck with it.

I did a gig last night with two young singer songwriters both quite brilliant in their own way - writing in vernacular English, about their lives and beliefs and struggles. I felt old fashioned and irrelevant. Will the middle classes ever connect with true folksong - get a handle on what its about? I doubt it.

But it doesn't stop the EFDSS being decent people doing their best, by their lights.