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Thread #136446   Message #3116443
Posted By: Steve Shaw
18-Mar-11 - 10:45 AM
Thread Name: BS: Another View of Religion
Subject: RE: BS: Another View of Religion
a *request* that someone consider their spiritual beliefs in the same way that you prefer to, isn't the same as believing someone 'should' do so. "I doubt, therefore so should believers".

This isn't very clear, but anyway. Your last sentence misrepresents what I am saying (I'm beginning to think that this is what you want to do). I am not suggesting that you should doubt because I doubt. I am suggesting that it is rational for someone on either side of this particular issue to harbour at least a modicum of doubt. God is neither provable nor disprovable in any rational sense.

As for 'exclusivity', if you choose to exclude yourself, that is a choice you make. If you feel offended by it, grow a thicker skin.

That is a typical example of religious imperialism!

I believe that others should believe in god if that pleases them and request prayers from fellow believers if that pleases them likewise. Their belief in their god, is none of my business, so long as they don't try to make it my business, which is another matter.

Agreed, right up to the last bit. By posting for prayers they are making their belief public, and in that sense making it everyone's business. Your private belief is your business, but once you make it public... This is not a religious website. One reason, among many, I seldom go to religious sites is so as to avoid reading stuff like that. It's a small thing, but it is so easy to avoid by choosing a more inclusive form of words. I think that would be quite nice.

The uk is perhaps the most secular state in the world, it should be far moreso. The more secular a state, arguably the more tolerant we would all be towards others who believe differently to us.

Hmm. I suppose you could say that Stalin and Mao ran secular states. Like with everything else, tolerance will come through knowledge and understanding, and that means education.