Another interesting loop that gets set up in these discussions is something you could call "wrong map" syndrome. If you encounter a "spiritual" phenomenon--whatever it may be--and discuss it with someone hard over on material science, they will seek to disprove it or reject it on the grounds of statistical science, or physics-based methodology which draws only from the repeatable patterns of physical realms for its evidentiary data. This of course sets up two opposed intolerable logic loops. In some ways it is like trying to find your way around Boston with a map of Seattle. Unlikely to resolve.


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