Very interesting info about the tribal affiliations in Libya, Teribus. It's another case of an artificial country created, like Iraq, by a colonial power that drew some nice lines on a map, but without regard to the different tribal or cultural groups who would share that land under the colonial administration...and after it left them to themselves.

I note that Ron has not replied to any of this with any "evidence" of his own...probably because he has none. ;-) He is thus hoist on his own petard.

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I don't agree that the USA is not at war in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, because I don't particularly care about the arcane legal distinctions which politicians use to label one armed conflict or occupation as being "at war" and another one as something else. I think it's just lawyer's trickery, that gambit, and a war is a war, period, regardless of legal chicanery to the contrary, and anyone with half a grain of sense can see it's a war. But I don't expect we'll ever agree on that one, and who really gives a toss if we do, right? ;-) I know I don't. But it's something to talk about if one has the time and the inclination.