I fail to see what the Israelis have to do with this thread--no offense to anyone. The pro-con Israeli positions are clear for damned near everyone who's ever posted on a thread to do with the mid-East.

Hell, I could go back to older threads and c and p what most posters think--including myself--and I'd bet a buffalo head nickel that you'd not recognize the difference from an old post and one from today. imo.