I don't want them to feel bad enough to have nervous breakdowns or take final desperate measures to their own lives etc...I want them to feel the pain of responsibility enough that they devote the rest of their lives to clean energy or public service. I think those who were found to have doctored books, compromised on engineering etc. should have pensions reduced to that of whatever a teacher or nurse would get, probably not legally possible, and of course face whatever laws they have there. I think they, and we, need to start from ground zero in many aspects of engineering and see what they are engineering for and against. Remember, someone, I don't know who, has convinced generaitons of people that air vents are a perfectly good substitute for windows, not taking into account human error, like blocking them, failing to clean or maintain them etc. Small example, but human laziness, failure to follow instructions, lack of information or education etc. have got to be engineered into every devise or plan. I was never ocnvinced this was the case and now I am sure. mg