I wish to say one--maybe two or three last things. Keith has been maliciously attacked on this thread and I don't agree with the attacks. I know him, and he's a good person. I refuse to win an argument at all costs.

There is a perspective we all are missing, imo. IF we are the kind of people we want to be or pretend to be, we must see what we have done to a man whose opinion differs from our own. It brings no one honour to win a gang fight. I feel sordid about my role in this.

Keith, let's quit the thread. There are no winners left here. I am ashamed of myself, and I hope you'll find it in yourself to forgive me.

I have attempted to make humour of a serious situation. Fact is it ain't funny. I no longer know who is right or wrong in the argument. I DO know I ain't right in what I've done. Even if Keith is wrong, or Lox is wrong, I know I am not right. I can be an asshole at times, and I have proven it true on this thread.

Bruce