I'm afraid I can't help here. I tried to intercede between Bobert and Chongo about a half hour ago and offer to negotiate a peaceful settlement, but the moment I opened this thread I was swept away in a gigantic tidal wave of testosterone which poured forth from the computer screen and carried me out of the house, down the street, and I ended up about 5 miles away clinging desperately to a small dead tree. It was horrible! All around me there were people, cars, houses, cows, dogs, cats, debris of every kind, all being pulled along helplessly in a raging torrent of male ego!

I am going to PM Max and see if he can shut down this thread as a public safety measure.