IMO Keith continues to be victimised. He has simply repeated the same facts as before (whose accuracy, as I have pointed out more than once previously, nobody in any of the wider communities involved has questioned), because they have been consistently met by irrelevancies widening the argument to alleged assertions he has not made about the whole Pakistani community.

Where,for instance, Jim, in all your pages and pages of cuttings from his posts, do you find the assertion, which you have repititively claimed to observe there, that tendency to rape is an invariable characteristic of that race which they have to resist? Hi-lite that/those specific quote[s] , please ~~ if you can find it/them. I still think, Jim, for all our mutual respect and usual online cordiality even in disagreement, previously favourably commented on above by BWM e.g., that an inaccurately suspected whiff of potential racism fills your ears with wax so that you don't hear what is actually being said. Keith's putative records of comment on other threads I still think of no evidential relevance here.

Lox too goes on & on accusing Keith consistently of saying things he hasn't said, & seems to have an odd view that if he wasn't there in person to see offences committed, he can't trust anyone else's word and so has no right to comment. {Mind, if anyone wants to know what Lox's assertions are worth, look again at some of the offensive and acknowledgedly vindictive ones he made of me a way upthread in explicit return for some imagined slights to him on other threads. He really revealed himself as a foolish & malevolent person. [Nobody is all bad, however: let me say here how impressed I have been by some of Lox's rare above-line most knowledgeable musical comments, e.g. on the B# thread; and how moved by some accounts there of a delightful relationship with his daughter]: pity, though, I repeat, about those many lapses, both in rational argument and in aggressive personal attacks!}

I hadn't meant to return to this thread; and I know that, like all who have turned it into such an interminable pain, I am just repeating what has been said before. But I just have this inalienable love of justice, which, I say yet again, I do not see Keith getting here from some whom I should have expected to know better.

Do, please, at least try to consider again what I have said here, which I firmly & sincerely believe to be the truth.

~Michael~