Jim, i read the bindel pieces some time ago, and i found them compelling enough that they probably helped to inform some of my own thoughts on this subject. Perhaps i should have linked to them before as its not easy to wade through the mountains of results regurgitating identikit 'jack said' cut and pastes from the daily mail, but i did't consider it at the time and nor did i retain retain links. Perhaps to my credit however, it suddenly strikes me that i've unwittingly succeeded in reading around this topic without once reading anything printed therein! In any event, i suppose i need to confirm that my posting them now, was not for the purposes of supporting any 'hypothsis' being made here, more a general clarification of 'where i'm coming from' in this discussion after mistakingly assuming that your 'sudden conversion' comment was aimed my way.