Will just thank you for trying, Lox; & point out that Jim had tended to omit the 'slight' on which Keith had insisted; & that your citations completely omit the 'cultural degeneracy' component which seems to me of the essence of Jim's pertinacious accusations; & then withdraw again ~ at least for the moment; have learned better than to declare a permanent absence, or abstinence, from a thread!

-m-