Well, as I said on the other thread, it is not a class. It is a state of being. A 'chav' is pretty classless and would happily throw up on anyone. Whether the term is correct or not is of absolutely no consequence. If those who are telling us it is wrong to use it please let us know what term is available to describe loud-mouthed, obnoxious, anti-social people then let us know and we will use that. Fair enough? Is Yob OK? Or, from my own locality, Scally? Please, please, please let us know.

I am more than happy to use whatever term is agreed upon to refer to anyone committing anti-social behaviour, be they black, white, purple, irish, gypsy, left wing liberal, right wing nazi or from the planet zog. If they behave in an anti-social way they should be called out by people who are not afraid to confront them regardless of their origins.

Also, I am quite amazed at how much opinions waver on these threads. On the one hand - City centres are no-go areas with packs of (Whatever they are called)roaming the streets and making everywhere unsafe. Yet on the other we are told that the the very same (whatever they are called) are just mis-understood, disenfranchised youthful victims of society. What is even stranger it is often the same people that tell us both things!

Probably sorry you asked now Ebbie and I don't blame you. There is no way to understand the workings of some folk but of one thing you can be sure - Neither you nor your family were chavs for being poor. Far from it. And thanks for the opening credits:-)

Cheers

MP