I have done so, Jim. I still feel you have misunderstood the points he has made within an extremely, and avowedly, limited compass; and can only have interpreted his meaning as you have by widening the applications of his assertions to a point he has persistently disavowed, which disavowals you have refused to take on board because they would not be in accord with your preconceptions. He has not said or implied what you interpret so far as I can see. I think we shall have to agree that our perceptions are different, which is a fair enough admission, is it not?; but you really cannot continue in your assertions, which are what brought me back to the thread, that you & Don & Lox have absolutely carried the day and Keith has garnered no support for his attitudes and beliefs, can you now? I categorically decline to regard myself as 'no-one'!

Regards ~M~