Wolfgang, probably the only thing we're going to agree upon is that we disagree. I understand what you are saying, but am put off by your need/desire to "attack" (your word) a belief that harms no one, provides comfort and reassurance to many, and is shared by a large number of people the world over. I share similar misgivings over a number of religions/spiritual beliefs, but don't feel it's my job to correct them (or "attack" them). What we're discussing here is not an organized religion but rather a spiritual belief. I don't expect my spirituality to confirm or negate true science; nor do I look to science for confirmation (or negation) of my spirituality. I have the same (emotional) response when I encounter someone using science to "attack" a spiritual matter as I do if I hear someone using a religious belief to question science. There is an "apples and oranges" thing going on here. I feel as if I ventured out of doors on a clear northern night with friends to watch the northern lights and view the milky way and constellations; when along comes a group of people who want to explain to us the scientific workings of each of these phenomenons. My friends and I just wanted to watch in wonder and "ooh and ahh." I should add that here in the actual world I have friends at both ends of the spectrum, and scattered along in between. With some friends I greatly enjoy discussions of spirituality as well as many other things. With others I discuss just about everything but spiritual matters because we know we don't have a common ground there. It doesn't prevent us from sharing love and respect.