Hey Jim, I don't have 'a side', these are my views and mine alone. If the persons you mention happen to agree with me I can do little about that, though it is distateful to have any views with Richie/Mark in common. Fortunatly for all concerned, this is just a discussion group and it matters not a jot what we say here because it will make no difference to the way things are.
So, I'll wallow in my barbarity and you can wallow in your piety and perhaps we can be friends on other topics?