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Thread #137528   Message #3148741
Posted By: Jim Carroll
05-May-11 - 03:44 PM
Thread Name: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
Subject: RE: BS: obit: Osama Bin Laden ???
"Because they are such stupid questions Jim!"
You have the reasons these questions need to be addressed Keith and once more, as you did on your 'degenerate Pakistani' thread, you claim thread creep.
You have proposed that it was acceptible for the US to go into Pakistan uninvited and unannounced (giving the strange reason that the Pakistanis didn't mind or they would have protested louder than they did - and they did protest, in spite of your denials - what responsible government would not protest?)
If you are going to allow any armed military force within your borders - invited or otherwise - you have to be sure they can be trusted.
The US has a well established and verified track record of arresting people without charge, denying them legal advice or access to their (uninformed) families and holding them in intolerabe, inhuman conditions - undisputed. In the past these prisoners have been humiliated, abused and terrorising for the entertainment of the prison staff - also indisputed. Some have been, and probably still are being shipped off to be tortured in countries with human rights records even poorer than that of the US (not to mention the in-house torture routinely carried out by US personell and authourised by their superiors - also undisputed).
Why is all this not relevant to the US sending troops into Pakistan - would you want such people, armed and prepared to kill, storming their way around Britain?
It has every relevance to allowing an armed incursion into any sovereign state; and you know damn well it is, which is why you will not say if you would think it acceptable if it were to happen in Britain.   
You seem to have painted yourself into a corner.
If you say you would accept it happening to Britain, you would then have to tackle the problem of the US's human rights record and explain why these people would not put British citizens at risk - especially British Asians (perhaps not a problem for you given your 'culturally degenerate view of British Pakistanis).
If, on the other hand, you say it is not acceptable in Britain, that would make your stance blatently hypocritical in allowing an incursion in another country, but not into your own.
So you spinelessly opt out, claiming these questions not relevant - sorry Keith - it just doesn't wash - they have every relevance.
Why are you prepared to allow a heavily armed military force of a nation with a track record of human rights abuses
                                                       - particularly in regard to Asians - into an Asian country, uninvited and unannounced?.   
A failure to answer these questions exposes you as the hypocrite I believe you to be.
Jim Carroll
PS "Oh Jimmy"
I see we've got Jed Clampitt back with us - shouldn't that be "Here's Johnny"