The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #137722   Message #3151433
Posted By: GUEST,lively
10-May-11 - 10:59 AM
Thread Name: BS: Even at the Brownies!
Subject: RE: BS: Even at the Brownies!
"Kids dancing to Karoake has got nothing to do with sex;"

With respect, little girls know quite a lot about sexuality and culturally defined or proscribed modes of sexual expression, both their own developing subjective experience of it, and through the sexual cues expressed by adults. For example I remember the peculiar confusion of dressing up in high heeled boots and being called 'sexy' and joshingly flirted with (all very genuinely innocent) by grown men.

I would suggest that while the adults themselves might be innocent of the sexual implications of such things for the children that they engage in such play with - imagining that children themselves are too young too understand or such-like, or else perhaps having forgotten them in a haze of nostalgia for innocent childhoods of yore, the children themselves are perfectly alert to such exchanges.

"Go down to your local branch of Claire's and they'll be piercing the ears of kids of all ages - not the same thing as female circumcision at all; you belittle the latter by the comparison."

I wasn't seeking to make a comparison, but specifically responding to your statement that "kids are raised according to the cultural values of their doting parents" which is of course perfectly true. No doubt even in the instance of much paedophilia.

I would consider parents coaching their girl children to imitate sexual dancing and sing songs with sexual content to have little to do with children's play, but to be more akin to teaching them how to be alluring for their expected future partners. A more appropriate comparison might be the way in which Upper Class debs were (are?) traditionally trained and paraded like dolls in a posh totty market stall - again coached by adults to perform a certain way to be appealing to a certain group of men.

All very innocent, all very loving, all very culturally relative. None of it terribly outrageous either. And while I'm not exactly an "irate" feminist, I am certainly glad of the fact that I wasn't subjected to a lot of such culturally relative conditioning during my own childhood.