I'm quite content to let a jury decide....

But for you men who immediately leap to the conclusion that it must be a set up, or simply outside the pale of very common male behavior, you may be extraordinary gents (I mean that sincerely) who mistakenly believe the vast majority of men share your values and code of conduct toward women, or you are conveniently blind.

Do men get set-up on occasion? Yes. The Duke Lacrosse case is a good example. But from personal experience and from personal and professional conversations with many women over the years, including many women here on Mudcat, I can assure you that you might be stunned if you were to ever learn the number of women you know who have been sexually assaulted or put in positions where they were reluctant to refuse sexual advances out of fear for their livelihoods.

Some of you might even be in convenient denial of having been sexually coersive, if not assaultive, toward some of the women you have encountered in your own lives.

Many of the posts to this thread are excellent illustrations of why sexual assaults are one of the most under-reported of crimes.