==Sorry Mike - I did miss the point; not part of my refgular viewing I'm afraid; have I missed much?===

You have missed zilch, Jim; they are horrible, exploitative programmes IMO ~~ & that of my late first wife Valerie, with whom I sometimes had to watch them many years ago when she had senior editorial posts on a couple of women's magazines. I haven't watched one since: but do recall that the parroted standard reply of "world peace" when the girls were interviewed about their ambitions & wishes as part of the 'personality' section of the competitions became something of a standing joke ~ the one to which Keith was referring.

~M~