No duck-outs and no endo-anal cranial insertion (at least on the part of Bobert and me), but we've come to the conclusion that it's a total waste of time and energy to try to have a rational discussion with a couple of people who consider no viewpoint but their own (or what they're parroting from Right-Wing blogs), and spout-off non-stop with their eyes shut and their fingers in their ears.

Don Firth