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Thread #135090   Message #3176368
Posted By: Jim Carroll
25-Jun-11 - 04:03 PM
Thread Name: BS: Muslim prejudice
Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
Jim, "Say it again and I will put up the proof of your nasty lie."
Please do - from your protestations it should be very easy to show me why:
"Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency....." does not implicate every male Pakistani in Britain.
Of course it does, you stupid, stupid man - if a person is culturally inclined to something then it is possible he will "succumb" to it; YOUR OWN WORDS:
"only a tiny minority succumb", which makes tham all untrustworthy where underage young women are concerned; THAT IS THE DIRECT INFERENCE OF WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN
"but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people"
Why is their knowledge any more knowledgeable than all the other 'knowledgeable' people who have objected strongly (Keith Vaz for instance, who has is an Asian who has served on committees specificaly dealing with the problem,unlike Straw, whose job it was as Home Secretary to listen to what they had to say.
You have used the fact that some of your 'expers' originated from the communities; why not Vaz, or all those community leaders living and working in the communities?
Can you specify what your experts have put forward to convince you of their superior knowledge - other than the statement its in with your own opinions?
"It is those who say culture is responsible."
You say the culture is responsible - in black and white
I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency....."
isn't that what you wrote, does that not say that you believe all male Pakistanis have a tendency towards paedophelia, have I suddenly developed dyslexia, did somebodty else write it, are you a victim of your own behaviour of sending false postings under a different identy - PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW "ALL" DOES NOT IMPLICATE EVERY BRITISH PAKISTANI.
We have questioned your analysis of information coming from mainly outsiders - Straw's statement gave deep offence to the communities concerned because it generalised the behaviour of the whole culture, but even then he drew back from making it racial stereotyping with his "testosterone" and "white paedophiles" qualification which you carefully removed.
Stop lying - I have carefully taken everything I have said in since you went running to the adjudicator from your own statements - show me where I have not.
"I say there is a massive over-rep"
And I say there is not - certainly not from the miniscule number of examples from a population of 1.2 million.
"You say there is not but do not say how you know this."
I have said from te beginning that the randomly collected anecdotal and circumstantial rag-bag of gatherings that you have dredged up, and certainly the unqualified opinions does not constitute evidence.
Let's see if next week's report claims that all British Pakistanis are culturally inclined to paedophelia as you are claiming, making them a risk to all underage women within their reach, or that he findings come up with a "massive" or "masive-massive" over-representation
You have still no answered any of my requests for clarification - please do so.
Jim Carroll