""Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 05:28 PM

This particular crime, dubbed street grooming, is the domain of male muslim gangs according to the people in a position to know.
There is lots of other dreadful crime for which other groups are responsible, but let us accept that this is a crime that the culture (not the religion) of the Pakistani community is largely responsible for.""

The above is the first mention of a cultural connection which Keith persistently claims I made up nearly three weeks after this post from him

Here's the whole of my post which, as anyone can see does not refer to a "cultural implant", a phrase I have not used, but reports Keith A's confirmation that he believes in a "culturally implanted tendency". (the underlining is mine)

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 07:52 PM

""Don, you cut the next line from my post you just quoted.
It was,
"If it did give rise to just a slight predisposition, then only a tiny minority would succumb.
And that is exactly what is found."""

I cut the line because it is irrelevant to the point at issue in my conversation with DeG, in which he said ""I have not heard Keith say that all Pakistanis (of whetever nationality) are child molesters."".

When asked the question ""their culture inspires a slight predisposition to the grooming and abuse of underage girls. Can you confirm that that is your opinion of British Pakistanis?"", you replied ""It is my opinion that it is a reasonable suggestion.
The over representation is a fact that requires an explanation.
Something is predisposing them, and it is more likely to be something sexual in the culture than your alternative list. (wild generalisations?)"".

However small the number of those who succumb to the temptation, and however slight that tendency may be, it does not alter the fact that you believe that all male Pakstani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency toward paedophile rape.

Your obdurate refusal to give more cautious and balanced suggestions the slightest consideration merely accentuates the degree of prejudice in your view of this section of Society.

Don T.

Later he confirmed again that belief.


Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 07:10 AM

""Don, no one on this thread has claimed any of those things.

Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency" but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb.

Do you dismiss all that just because it does not fit your preconceptions, or do you have some powerful evidence to the contrary that you have not shared with us?""

Complete posts, with nothing removed.

So Keith resorts to nit picking in an attempt to cover up the truth of my statements, by focussing attention on on phrase that is not even present.

Economical with the truth is a generous view of our friend Keith's contribution.

It's a bit like trying to debate with Tweedledum and Tweedledee, only less productive.

Don T.