That was the origin of the thread indeed, Jim; the statement by Lady Warsi at the Tory conference being the trigger of Brian's OP. But the main associated news item, the statement by police about cover-ups of statistics specifically related to Pakistani communities for fear of accusations of racism in certain regions, with its follow-up comments by Straw, Alibhai-Brown, et al, became the main focus of the debate, and hence, as Keith IMO correctly points out, of this thread. I think you are being disingenuous in your implied contradiction of Keith's point that this is what the thread is mainly concerned with, and hence what he will be mostly adverting to; and, once again, in your [and one or two others'] constantly parroted ad nauseam ill-founded accusations of 'racist racist racist', when he has, so far as I can see, made no claims of, and has indeed repeatedly disassociated himself from, any wider applications of such facts or statistics.

I am moved to say again that I continue to see in your & Don's & Lox's constant unbacked iterations the customary knee-jerk refusal of the doctrinairely-committed to face any fact incompatible with their preconceptions.

~M~