GfS, Little Hawk, for years, has been talking about how the United States in particular is governed by one party masquerading as two, and there is no point in trying to oppose it. Give up!

Defeatism, even if true.

You, on the other hand, have never made a clear, cohesive statement other than negative remarks about those whom you characterize as "liberal," usually accompanied by contemptuous adjectives indicating you have no actual knowledge of what a liberal is ("…. liberal 'squawking points'...which is usually just hot air blowing out someone's ass."), and an inability to distinguish between liberals, progressives, socialists, conservatives, fascists,, Nazis, communists, and various other schools of political and economic philosophy.

But you seem to be taking the same negative position that Little Hawk does. You haven't stated any "facts!" Just shallow opinions along the same defeatist ideas that Little Hawk has expressed. That, and a general penchant for flinging insults and contemptuous remarks at people when they are talking over your head.

Also, you use political terms (without knowing what they mean), slap labels on people, and try to stuff them into arbitrary pigeon holes, which is the mark of someone who knows little, but wants to play the expert by putting other people down, not by attempting to refute what they say, but by attacking them on a personal level (". . .  you old farts are senile!").

Okay, GfS, you use the word "liberal" a lot, indiscriminately applying it to people as a pejorative.

Here's a primer (not that I think it will do much good):

Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom") is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but most liberals support such fundamental ideas as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, free trade, and the freedom of religion. These ideas are widely accepted, even by political groups that do not openly profess a liberal ideological orientation. Liberalism encompasses several intellectual trends and traditions, but the dominant variants are classical liberalism, which became popular in the eighteenth century, and social liberalism, which became popular in the twentieth century.

Liberalism first became a powerful force in the Age of Enlightenment, rejecting several foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as hereditary status, established religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The early liberal thinker John Locke, who is often credited for the creation of liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition, employed the concept of natural rights and the social contract to argue that the rule of law should replace absolutism in government, that rulers were subject to the consent of the governed, and that private individuals had a fundamental right to life, liberty, and property.

The nineteenth century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Latin America, and North America. Liberal ideas spread even further in the twentieth century, when liberal democracies triumphed in two world wars and survived major ideological challenges from fascism and communism.

Conservatism, fundamentalism, and military dictatorship remain powerful opponents of liberalism.

Your welcome.

Don Firth