So the worst/best you boys can do is to yell loudly at each other that you are ignoring the other. That so in so has no credibility. That you are right and they are insane. From my seat it sounds like AM radio teaching what one must think of Obama to be a real American.

The tea party counterparts in Norway are the same as people here. The rhetoric is the same. The gun play is the same. The fertilizer bomb is the same as McVeigh. The child victims are the same.
That they appear sane at a distance is the same. They feel morally superior and right the same way. They are even right wing extremist in the same way.

Games are being played here in knee jerk fashion. PM's pleading people to pledge a no talk zone surrounding so in so. Been there done that to me already.

SOme games are the mean guy gamer who defies logic, gives a left field example and then asks for one counter example or refutation, then sneers and insults the rest.

Some people play the 'fail to understand' game, it is when they know better but pretend to not understand and say you really mean what they say you mean. Thats you Jack. I know you. You are smarter than that.

I also know that everything a person thinks here comes through the filter of their belief system. Its like the brain is a lawyer only looking for the salient facts or hyperbole to defend their client's belief.

So

For an entire day, take a break. Realize what your filter is.
COme to grip with what just happened in you and in Norway. See that the other guy isn't saying exactly what you may have thought.

Trade places and look for commonalities. anything. one thing.
Think of yourself as a parent of a murdered child by the self described killer groups.


This is a make or break time gents.

If you can't get it together with your fellow musicians, you are destined to lock and load and fire on a child in your future, no matter how unlikely civil war seems to you now.


Even a temporary truce, pretending you were just joking, is better than some recent behavior.