I'm just trying to establish what degree of offense would bring a clear answer to one's mind.

On the record, FWIW, I would probably talk to someone in the Splendor in the Grass case but it is highly unlikely that I would volunteer that it was an actual consummation.

In the shoplifting case I doubt that I would say anything. But I would agonize over it, especially if it was the child of someone I loved and was close to.

Not sure in either case actually.