Okay, GfS, when I cited a couple of things you said on a previous thread (the Prop 8 thread), you denied it that you said it, and in your post of 25 Jul 11 - 04:14 p.m. above, you called me a "LIAR," all in caps.

We've done this little dance before, and you keep coming up looking like a horse's ass. Case in point:    On the Prop 8 thread, you kept insisting that there was absolutely nothing genetic about gender orientation, and offered as proof that you, a counselor, had cured homosexuals of their abnormality. When challenged on this, you went on to present more evidence for your position by offering the following bit of personal history:

Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 06 May 09 - 12:38 AM

Again, from the 'For what its worth Department': (If you want the link, I'll post it.

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When are those that are trying to prove there is a gene that causes one to be gay going to give up?
Billions of dollars have already been spent to no avail. No one experiment has proved and concluded that there is a "gay gene," and no one ever will.

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By the way, all of those who think that I have no experience with this, and that I'm just spouting from no experience with this issue, you should know that my father CHOSE a homosexual lifestyle after he had 6 children with my mother.

Not to get to personal, but to squash any type of statement about my father already being gay, I'll explain this. He was molested when he was a child by his father and uncle. He learned how to deal with the shame and pain of this act by storing it inside and never talking about it. This, undoubtedly, led to prolonged psychological effects that plagued him and eventually chose him to choose his lifestyle.

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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 06 May 09 - 04:01 AM

""By the way, all of those who think that I have no experience with this, and that I'm just spouting from no experience with this issue, you should know that my father CHOSE a homosexual lifestyle after he had 6 children with my mother.""

If true, that would certainly explain the degree of bile in your attitude.

It is still not, however, proof that would stand up in any court, of your father's "lifestyle choice", as opposed to his "predisposition".

Many gays have had hetero relationships before coming out.

One thing YOU might like to ponder, though.

If, as you so desperately need to believe, homosexuality is not genetic in origin, but learned behaviour, does it not NECESSARILY follow that heterosexuality is also a "lifestyle choice" in the opposite direction?

If this is so, then the question of "normality" or "deviance" surely does not arise.

In which case, notwithstanding which group is in the majority, the argument IS simply about equal rights in law.

You can't have it both ways, you know.

Don T.

Then, I once again confronted you with the question of why you are so adamant about there being no genetic connection in the face of so much evidence that there might very well be, and that the book was not closed yet. I pointed out what you had said about your father's defection, and offered the suggestion that perhaps your intransigence on the issue was prompted less by any scientific knowledge, but more by fear of what your own genes might contain.

You then had a wall-eyed fit (which was a dead giveaway that I had hit a nerve!), swore that you have never said anything like that, then made the hysterical accusation that I had posted that under your name!

I PMed Joe Offer about your claim that I had written that post rather than you. He PMed me back, saying that he could not guarantee that you personally had written the post about your father, BUT that, checking the IP address from which the post came, it had come from YOUR COMPUTER. Not mine!

So there you have it GfS! You lied. And then you lied about lying. And then you tried to wipe the egg off your chin by accusing ME of lying.

And now you're doing it AGAIN.

GfS, repeatedly you get caught with your pants down and your hand in the cooking jar. Not to mention, the egg on your face.

No, I doubt that you were ever any kind of counselor. If you ever were, then God help your patients! But this I DO know:

You are badly in NEED of some serious counseling. You are one sick puppy!

Now, knock off this crap, GfS, and let sane people get back to the discussion at hand.

Don Firth