mg maybe you should take a look at the island for yourself.

"One thing that surprised me..the Minister of Justice thought it was extraordinary that police interrupted their vacations. I would think it would be standard practice if your government headquarters or whatever it was blew up and teenagers were being massacred...I would expect everyone to be called back from vacation, especially the pilots if they were anywhere near." - mg

Do you read the articles you supply links for??

The article states this:

"Norwegian Justice Minister Knut Storberget praised the police after meeting with officials Tuesday, commending their bravery and efforts after Friday's attacks, the worst peacetime atrocity in Norway. "They have worked far more than we can demand from anyone. Police throughout Norway HAVE interrupted their vacations and reported to work, and they are still at work now," Mr. Storberget said."

"I would also expect that they would ask for military helicopter backup, as they drove and tried to get boats." - mg

Article states:

1: "Oslo Police Chief Johan Fredriksen, speaking at a press conference Tuesday, said the issue of the helicopter had been "blown completely out of proportion," explaining that the availability was dependent on weather conditions and personnel."

Weather up by the Island was atrocious check out the film coverage of it - HINT - July all those people running around in foul-weather gear.

2: "A police spokeswoman said the helicopter was used only for surveillance, documentation and search operations and couldn't have been used to land officers on the island even if the crew had been available. "We could've also asked the armed forces to use one of their helicopters, but that would take longer to arrange and to get it to Oslo," the spokeswoman said."

So the Police Helicopter was not suitable to land armed officers on the island - I will take their word for it.

I asked you before Mary - Where would you have landed your helicopter? Take a good long hard look at the satellite pictures of the island. Hard enough to do at the best of times without adding the prospect of landing under fire from someone with a automatic weapon.

"Lots of kids had phones on them..they were trying to call and were not put through by phone operators who were only taking calls (now thisis what I read..I was not there and I can not analyze every bit of information myself..that is what a community is for..international of course)...about the Oslo bombing...something is wrong there..15 minutes, 15 people..someone needs to review that..and they were texting parents etc." - mg

Your mobile phone goes through an operator does it?? Mine doesn't. Emergency numbers to call in Norway are as follows:

"In the event of an emergency, please call:

110 - Fire
112 - Police
911 - Police (only from cellular phones)
113 - Ambulance
120 - Emergency at open sea"

So unless the 5/600 youngsters who were on that island actually knew the land line number of either the Hønefoss Police Station (unlikely) or of any local Lensmann, or the Police station In Sandvika or Oslo what would they get phoning 112 or 911 last Friday at about 17:15??? Is it at all possible that those lines might have been busy??

The likely chain that may be revealed was that children ran for cover at first shots which you claim started at 17:10hrs. If someone is about to shoot you Mary how far and how long do you run for before you stop to call it in? I would give that about 5 minutes to run and find cover (17:15).

Child is smart enough to know not to talk as talking will attract attention so they text home, they text their parents, who in turn telephone their local police stations who in turn contact police in Hønefoss and in Oslo by internal lines or comms systems.

Now does 10 minutes seem an inordinately long time for that process to you?? The step in that chain that would take longest would be the first two the texting to the parents and the parents reaction time. If anybody called me to get in touch with the police I would automatically go to 911 or 112, I wouldn't get through either so I would then have to look up the number of my local police station and call them. Once I'd got through then things would happen quickly - AND THEY DID.

"did the camp have numbers of local police" - No it did not, the island is small and no-one lives there permanently so why should ther be local police there. As far as I am aware the only policemen on the island was an off-duty officer who was attending the camp with his son - He was shot and killed attempting to tackle the gunman.

"I still want to know the boat situation..you have 500 campers it seems..?? someone confirm? Some unheard from probably on advice of lawyers staff..probably some are Olympic quality swimmers, canoists etc..a camp of 500 in an island has to have a bunch of boats."

These teenagers have been invited to the Island to attend a political rally, so you would pack them off with a boat each?? What the hell do you think this was like a "summer camp" in the USA?? These kids were there for a week-end of political discussion, they had just been addressed by one very famous ex-Prime Minister of Norway and were expecting to hear the current Prime Minister the following day - How common is it for the POTUS to attend political rallies for teenagers and address them? Would you expect the kids to blow him off to go play in a boat??

I think I saw a maximum number of four boats on the water from the news footage.

Some children ran fully clothed into ice cold FRESH WATER, ever heard of "cold water shock" it will kill you in 5 to 10 minutes, air temperature does not matter. Fresh water is less buoyant than salt water your clothes will pull you under in fresh water.