""Don wyziwig, we get it. You are to be commended. Good man you are for risings from the detritus of your upbringing. Would that "they" were all like you. But, you see, "they" are not all like you. The ingredients that went into the soup that is you, plus a bit of luck, is peculiarly you.""

Self aggrandisement is not the objective here Mick.

The point of the argument is that I was not unique, nor even unusual.

Most of my contemporaries grew up with exactly the same values, and many of them fared much better than I did, only a very few faring worse.

That changed in the trendy sixties, as I pointed out in the other thread, with the introduction of Dr Spock's lunatic ideas on education and parenting, which are the root cause of the absence of discipline and respect three generations on.

Don T.