Yup. Well said, Ake.

But in the minds of those intent on total domination of either a conversation or a general political climate, all disagreement with their chosen point of view is considered intolerable...contemptible...evil...worthy of ridicule and every form of destructive personal attack upon the speaker. Beware of such people. It is as Caesar said of Cassius, they are lean and hungry men, and their intentions toward you are quite merciless...unless, of course, you agree with them on every single point.

Such angry men have made this forum, frankly, simply not worth wasting much of one's time on when it comes to discussing things like politics. Or religion. Or anything else that they have decided to make into their own personal hobby horse of hatred, summary judgement, and self-righteous fury.

And having said that...I shall vanish once more to other much more pleasant things I could be doing and avoid undesired contact with said lean and hungry men.