You know I mentioned the noise as being obnoxious but there is still, on visceral level, an appreciation of the low rumble of a Harley. The problem is that some riders get their manhood wrapped up in the sound level and do what they can to make it louder. These are people who do not understand the philosophy of "speak softly and carry big stick". They haven't figured out that a quiet competant person carries more weight than the brash loudmouth. The same thing goes for motorcycles.