I am far from naive and I do not see the world in black and white terms. I am very pragmatic and like to see results and not debates and people putting in roadblocks all over the place. I think people will change if they are given both enticements to good behavior and obstacles to bad behavior..most of them..not all of them. I do not think we have to wait until 100 conditions are met before we plunge in and do something. I believe that things can be fixed, sometimes pretty intractable-seeming things, and sometimes fairly quickly. mg