sorry my other grumpy old man trait I meant to mention is the "self penned"offenders-yes great to hear a catchy new decent song im all for it but hate to say a lot just write not very good stuff -why is it bad songs have to be so long,where is the lift in them,some even seem contenders for bad eurovision song contest entrys,yes im moaning but where have all the audiences gone I ask,back in 1967 I first went to a folk club with mates,following week we all had roll neck jumpers on,wispy sort of beards,spoke to one another with a finger in the ear and breaking up the coversation with the odd"trirally la a rovin we will go",the clubs seemed full of listeners then,I hate to see people leaving but 4 unaccompanied songs at 6 minutes each dont get them wanting to stay-I know this for a fact as I asked some why they were leaving not so long ago and they admitted after making other feeble excuses it was so dull.We need audiences as well as players at singarounds and guest nights and if a floorsinger as they used to be knownis going down well,dont kick them off so the regulars can do their thing(like they did last week,the week or so before....."get my drift here or am I a wally?