In Italy it's innocent until proven guilty given the number of defendants left free to go because their appeals are still pending

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BTNG/TheFamousEccles - decide which account you're going to be and stick with it. Talking to yourself in a thread in which a lot of people are already misbehaving isn't helpful. The rest of you, this topical thread should stay open, but the ad hominem attacks need to stop. Bluesman, you're on notice. --mudelf