Was not a big fan of the Fall or Joy Division. I remember seeing New Order in concert but not really by choice.

By the 80s, I moved away from music and went into pure noise. I drifted occasionally into hardcore punk when it bordered on noise--No Trend, Meat Puppets first album, Swans, Tar Babies first album--but otherwise didn't follow mainstream punk or post-punk or whatever (Crass and Flux of Pink Indians were horrible as far as I was concerned). I liked Art Bears precisely because they weren't any of that. I've always liked bands that didn't seem to have their finger on the pulse of anything--just playing what they heard in their heads and the more subconscious, the better. That's the way it should be.